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Latif Nasser: The amazing story of the man who gave us modern pain relief
Latif Naser (Latif Nasser): Neverovatna priča o čoveku koji nam je dao modernu medicinu protiv bola
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Veoma dugo, doktori su prosto ignorisali najosnovniji i najviše frustrirajući deo bolesti - sam bol. U ovom pesničkom, informativnom govoru, Laser Natif iznosi neverovatnu priču u rvaču i doktoru, Džonu Dž. Boniki, koji se bavio medicinom da bi bol shvatio ozbiljno i preoblikovao živote miliona.
Latif Nasser - Radio researcher
Latif Nasser is the director of research at Radiolab, where he has reported on such disparate topics as culture-bound illnesses, snowflake photography, sinking islands and 16th-century automata. Full bio
Latif Nasser is the director of research at Radiolab, where he has reported on such disparate topics as culture-bound illnesses, snowflake photography, sinking islands and 16th-century automata. Full bio
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00:12
A few years ago,
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Pre par godina,
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my mom developed rheumatoid arthritis.
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moja majka je dobila reumatoidni artritis.
00:18
Her wrists, knees and toes swelled up,
causing crippling, chronic pain.
causing crippling, chronic pain.
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Zglobovi, kolena i prsti su joj otekli
i izazvali onesposobljavajuć hroničan bol.
i izazvali onesposobljavajuć hroničan bol.
00:26
She had to file for disability.
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Postala je invalid.
00:28
She stopped attending our local mosque.
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Prestala je da ide u našu džamiju.
00:31
Some mornings it was too painful
for her to brush her teeth.
for her to brush her teeth.
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Bilo je jutara kada joj je i pranje zuba
bilo previše bolno.
bilo previše bolno.
00:36
I wanted to help.
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Želeo sam da pomognem.
00:38
But I didn't know how.
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Ali nisam znao kako.
00:40
I'm not a doctor.
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Nisam doktor.
00:43
So, what I am is a historian of medicine.
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Jesam istoričar medicine.
00:47
So I started to research
the history of chronic pain.
the history of chronic pain.
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Tako sam počeo da istražujem
istoriju hroničnog bola.
istoriju hroničnog bola.
00:51
Turns out, UCLA has an entire
history of pain collection
history of pain collection
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Ispostavlja se da UCLA ima
čitavu kolekciju istorije bola
čitavu kolekciju istorije bola
00:56
in their archives.
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u svojim arhivima.
00:58
And I found a story --
a fantastic story --
a fantastic story --
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Naišao sam na fantastičnu priču
01:02
of a man who saved -- rescued --
millions of people from pain;
millions of people from pain;
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o čoveku koji je spasio
milione ljudi od bola;
milione ljudi od bola;
01:07
people like my mom.
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ljude kao što je moja majka.
01:10
Yet, I had never heard of him.
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Iako nisam čuo ništa o njemu,
01:12
There were no biographies
of him, no Hollywood movies.
of him, no Hollywood movies.
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nije bilo njegovih biografija
ili holivudskih filmova.
ili holivudskih filmova.
01:16
His name was John J. Bonica.
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Zvao se Džon Dž. Bonika.
01:21
But when our story begins,
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Ali u vreme početka naše priče,
01:22
he was better known as
Johnny "Bull" Walker.
Johnny "Bull" Walker.
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bio je poznat kao Džoni "Bik" Voker.
01:28
It was a summer day in 1941.
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Letnji dan 1941. godine.
01:31
The circus had just arrived
in the tiny town of Brookfield, New York.
in the tiny town of Brookfield, New York.
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Cirkus tek što je stigao
u maleni grad Brukfild u Njujorku.
u maleni grad Brukfild u Njujorku.
01:37
Spectators flocked to see
the wire-walkers, the tramp clowns --
the wire-walkers, the tramp clowns --
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Posmatrači su se gurali da vide
hodače na žici, klovnove -
hodače na žici, klovnove -
01:41
if they were lucky, the human cannonball.
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ako su imali sreće, i čoveka đule.
01:44
They also came to see the strongman,
Johnny "Bull" Walker,
Johnny "Bull" Walker,
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Došli su da vide i snagatora,
Džonija "Bika" Vokera.
Džonija "Bika" Vokera.
01:48
a brawny bully who'd pin you for a dollar.
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mišićavog siledžiju
koji bi vas oborio za dolar.
koji bi vas oborio za dolar.
01:52
You know, on that particular day,
a voice rang out
a voice rang out
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Baš tog dana čuo se glas
01:55
over the circus P.A. system.
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na cirkuskom razglasu.
01:57
They needed a doctor urgently,
in the live animal tent.
in the live animal tent.
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Hitno im je trebao doktor
u šatoru sa životinjama.
u šatoru sa životinjama.
02:01
Something had gone wrong
with the lion tamer.
with the lion tamer.
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Nešto se desilo krotitelju lavova.
02:03
The climax of his act had gone wrong,
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Vrhunac njegove tačke pošao je po zlu
02:06
and his head was stuck
inside the lion's mouth.
inside the lion's mouth.
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i glava mu je bila zaglavljena
u lavljim čeljustima.
u lavljim čeljustima.
02:11
He was running out of air;
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Nestajao mu je vazduh;
02:13
the crowd watched in horror
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masa je sa užasom gledala kako se borio,
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as he struggled and then passed out.
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a zatim onesvestio.
02:18
When the lion finally did relax its jaws,
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Kada je lav konačno popustio stisak,
02:22
the lion tamer just slumped
to the ground, motionless.
to the ground, motionless.
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krotitelj se srušio na zemlju, nepomičan.
02:27
When he came to a few minutes later,
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Kada se nakon par minuta osvestio,
02:30
he saw a familiar figure hunched over him.
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video je poznatu siluetu nagnutu nad njim.
02:33
It was Bull Walker.
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Bio je to "Bik" Voker.
02:35
The strongman had given the lion tamer
mouth-to-mouth, and saved his life.
mouth-to-mouth, and saved his life.
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Snagator je spasio život krotitelju
pruživši mu veštačko disanje.
pruživši mu veštačko disanje.
02:42
Now, the strongman hadn't told anyone,
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Snagator nikome nije rekao,
02:44
but he was actually
a third-year medical student.
a third-year medical student.
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ali on je zapravo bio na trećoj godini
medicinskog fakulteta.
medicinskog fakulteta.
02:48
He toured with the circus
during summers to pay tuition,
during summers to pay tuition,
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Radio je u cirkusu preko leta
da bi platio školarinu,
da bi platio školarinu,
02:52
but kept it a secret
to protect his persona.
to protect his persona.
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ali je to krio da bi zaštitio svoj ugled.
02:55
He was supposed to be
a brute, a villain --
a brute, a villain --
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Trebalo je da bude zver, zlikovac;
02:59
not a nerdy do-gooder.
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a ne štreber i dobrica.
03:02
His medical colleagues didn't
know his secret, either.
know his secret, either.
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Ni njegove kolege na fakultetu
nisu znale tu tajnu.
nisu znale tu tajnu.
03:05
As he put it, "If you were
an athlete, you were a dumb dodo."
an athlete, you were a dumb dodo."
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Kako je rekao, "Ako si bio sportista,
bio si glupan."
bio si glupan."
03:09
So he didn't tell them about the circus,
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Nije im rekao za cirkus,
03:12
or about how he wrestled professionally
on evenings and weekends.
on evenings and weekends.
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ni za svoje profesionalno rvanje
večerima i vikendima.
večerima i vikendima.
03:18
He used a pseudonym like Bull Walker,
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Koristio je pseudonim "Bik" Voker,
03:20
or later, the Masked Marvel.
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a kasnije Maskirano Čudo.
03:23
He even kept it a secret that same year,
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To je čak ostala tajna i one godine
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when he was crowned
the Light Heavyweight Champion
the Light Heavyweight Champion
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kada je postao svetski šampion
03:30
of the world.
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u poluteškoj kategoriji.
03:33
Over the years, John J. Bonica
lived these parallel lives.
lived these parallel lives.
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Godinama je Džon Dž. Bonika
živeo paralelnim životima.
živeo paralelnim životima.
03:38
He was a wrestler;
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Bio je rvač;
03:40
he was a doctor.
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bio je doktor.
03:41
He was a heel;
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Bio je zlikovac;
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he was a hero.
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bio je heroj.
03:45
He inflicted pain,
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Nanosio je bol,
03:46
and he treated it.
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i lečio ga.
03:49
And he didn’t know it at the time,
but over the next five decades,
but over the next five decades,
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Tada nije znao, ali u sledećih 50 godina
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he'd draw on these dueling identities
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iz ovih sukobljenih identiteta
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to forge a whole new way
to think about pain.
to think about pain.
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proizvešće potpuno novo
razmišljanje o bolu.
razmišljanje o bolu.
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It'd change modern medicine
so much so, that decades later,
so much so, that decades later,
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Promeniće modernu medicinu u toj meri,
da će ga decenijama kasnije
da će ga decenijama kasnije
04:03
Time magazine would call him
pain relief's founding father.
pain relief's founding father.
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časopis Tajm proglasiti osnivačem
tehnika ublažavanja bola.
tehnika ublažavanja bola.
04:09
But that all happened later.
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Sve se to desilo kasnije.
04:12
In 1942, Bonica graduated
medical school and married Emma,
medical school and married Emma,
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1942. Bonika je diplomirao medicinu
i oženio se Emom,
i oženio se Emom,
04:17
his sweetheart, whom he had met
at one of his matches years before.
at one of his matches years before.
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svojom dragom, koju je upoznao
na jednom meču godinama ranije.
na jednom meču godinama ranije.
04:22
He still wrestled in secret -- he had to.
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I dalje se tajno rvao - morao je.
04:25
His internship at New York's
St. Vincent's Hospital paid nothing.
St. Vincent's Hospital paid nothing.
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Nije primao platu dok je stažirao
u bolnici Sv. Vinsenta u Njujorku.
u bolnici Sv. Vinsenta u Njujorku.
04:31
With his championship belt,
he wrestled in big-ticket venues,
he wrestled in big-ticket venues,
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Pošto je bio šampion,
rvao se na prestižnim mestima,
rvao se na prestižnim mestima,
04:34
like Madison Square Garden,
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kao što je Medison Skver Garden,
04:36
against big-time opponents,
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protiv ozbiljnih protivnika
04:38
like Everett "The Blonde Bear" Marshall,
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kao što je Everet "Plavi Medved" Maršal,
04:41
or three-time world champion,
Angelo Savoldi.
Angelo Savoldi.
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ili trostruki svetski šampion,
Anđelo Savoldi.
Anđelo Savoldi.
04:46
The matches took a toll on his body;
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Mečevi su ostavili traga na njemu;
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he tore hip joints, fractured ribs.
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dislocirao je kukove, lomio rebra.
04:52
One night, The Terrible Turk's big toe
scratched a scar like Capone's
scratched a scar like Capone's
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Jedne noći mu je Strašni Turčin
palcem na nozi napravio ožiljak na licu
palcem na nozi napravio ožiljak na licu
04:57
down the side of his face.
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pa je izgledao kao Kapone.
04:59
The next morning at work,
he had to wear a surgical mask to hide it.
he had to wear a surgical mask to hide it.
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Sutradan na poslu morao je da nosi masku
da bi sakrio ranu.
da bi sakrio ranu.
05:04
Twice Bonica showed up to the O.R.
with one eye so bruised,
with one eye so bruised,
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Dva puta se pojavio u operacionoj sali
sa okom toliko naduvenim
sa okom toliko naduvenim
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he couldn't see out of it.
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da nije mogao na njega da vidi.
05:11
But worst of all were
his mangled cauliflower ears.
his mangled cauliflower ears.
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Najgore od svega bile su
njegove unakažene uši poput karfiola.
njegove unakažene uši poput karfiola.
05:16
He said they felt like two baseballs
on the sides of his head.
on the sides of his head.
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Rekao je da su kao dve bejzbol loptice
koje mu vise sa glave.
koje mu vise sa glave.
05:21
Pain just kept accumulating in his life.
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Bol se samo nakupljao u njegovom životu.
05:25
Next, he watched his wife go
into labor at his hospital.
into labor at his hospital.
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Kasnije je posmatrao svoju ženu
kako se porađa u njegovoj bolnici.
kako se porađa u njegovoj bolnici.
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She heaved and pushed, clearly in anguish.
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Uzdisala je i gurala, očigledno u mukama.
05:33
Her obstetrician called
out to the intern on duty
out to the intern on duty
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Njen akušer pozvao je dežurnog stažistu
05:36
to give her a few drops of ether
to ease her pain.
to ease her pain.
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da joj da par kapi etra
da bi joj olakšao bol.
da bi joj olakšao bol.
05:39
But the intern was a young guy,
just three weeks on the job --
just three weeks on the job --
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Ali stažista je bio mlad,
sa samo tri nedelje iskustva;
sa samo tri nedelje iskustva;
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he was jittery, and in applying the ether,
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bio je nervozan, i kada joj je davao etar,
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irritated Emma's throat.
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iritirao je Emino grlo.
05:48
She vomited and choked,
and started to turn blue.
and started to turn blue.
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Povraćala je i počela da se guši,
a lice joj je poplavelo.
a lice joj je poplavelo.
05:52
Bonica, who was watching all this,
pushed the intern out of the way,
pushed the intern out of the way,
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Bonika, koji je sve gledao,
gurnuo je stažistu u stranu,
gurnuo je stažistu u stranu,
05:58
cleared her airway,
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oslobodio joj disajni put
05:59
and saved his wife
and his unborn daughter.
and his unborn daughter.
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i spasio svoju ženu i nerođenu ćerku.
06:04
At that moment, he decided
to devote his life to anesthesiology.
to devote his life to anesthesiology.
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Tog trenutka odlučio je
da život posveti anesteziologiji.
da život posveti anesteziologiji.
06:09
Later, he'd even go on to help develop
the epidural, for delivering mothers.
the epidural, for delivering mothers.
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Kasnije je radio na razvoju
epiduralne anestezije pri porođaju.
epiduralne anestezije pri porođaju.
06:14
But before he could focus on obstetrics,
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Da bi dospeo do akušerstva,
06:17
Bonica had to report for basic training.
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Bonika je morao da prođe osnovnu obuku.
06:22
Right around D-Day,
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Baš oko Dana D,
06:23
Bonica showed up
to Madigan Army Medical Center,
to Madigan Army Medical Center,
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Bonika odlazi u Vojni medicinski centar
u Mediganu
u Mediganu
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near Tacoma.
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u blizini Takome.
06:28
At 7,700 beds, it was one of the largest
army hospitals in America.
army hospitals in America.
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Sa 7.700 kreveta, bila je jedna
od najvećih vojnih bolnica u Americi.
od najvećih vojnih bolnica u Americi.
06:34
Bonica was in charge
of all pain control there.
of all pain control there.
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Bonika je bio zadužen za ublažavanje bola.
06:37
He was only 27.
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Imao je samo 27 godina.
06:40
Treating so many patients,
Bonica started noticing cases
Bonica started noticing cases
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Lečeći toliko pacijenata,
Bonika je počeo primećivati
Bonika je počeo primećivati
06:43
that contradicted everything
he had learned.
he had learned.
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slučajeve koji su protivrečili
svemu što je znao.
svemu što je znao.
06:46
Pain was supposed to be
a kind of alarm bell -- in a good way --
a kind of alarm bell -- in a good way --
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Bol je trebalo da bude zdravo upozorenje,
06:51
a body's way of signaling an injury,
like a broken arm.
like a broken arm.
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signal koji telo stvara
kada nastane povreda.
kada nastane povreda.
06:56
But in some cases,
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Ali u nekim slučajevima,
06:58
like after a patient had a leg amputated,
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kao nakon amputacije noge,
07:01
that patient might still complain
of pain in that nonexistent leg.
of pain in that nonexistent leg.
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pacijent se ipak žalio na bol
u nepostojećoj nozi.
u nepostojećoj nozi.
07:06
But if the injury had been treated, why
would the alarm bell keep ringing?
would the alarm bell keep ringing?
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Ako je povreda izlečena,
zašto upozorenje i dalje postoji?
zašto upozorenje i dalje postoji?
07:10
There were other cases in which there
was no evidence of an injury whatsoever,
was no evidence of an injury whatsoever,
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Postojali su i slučajevi u kojima
nije bilo nikakve povrede,
nije bilo nikakve povrede,
07:15
and yet, still the patient hurt.
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a ipak se pacijent žalio na bol.
07:18
Bonica tracked down all the specialists
at his hospital -- surgeons,
at his hospital -- surgeons,
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Bonika se našao sa specijalistima
u svojoj bolnici -
u svojoj bolnici -
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neurologists, psychiatrists, others.
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hirurzima, neurolozima,
psihijatrima i drugima.
psihijatrima i drugima.
07:25
And he tried to get
their opinions on his patients.
their opinions on his patients.
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Zatražio je njihova mišljenja
o pacijentima.
o pacijentima.
07:29
It took too long, so he started organizing
group meetings over lunch.
group meetings over lunch.
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To je predugo trajalo, pa je organizovao
sastanke za vreme ručka.
sastanke za vreme ručka.
07:35
It would be like a tag team of specialists
going up against the patient's pain.
going up against the patient's pain.
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Stvorio je tim specijalista
koji su se borili protiv bola.
koji su se borili protiv bola.
07:39
No one had ever focused on pain
this way before.
this way before.
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Niko se do tad nije skoncentrisao
na bol na ovaj način.
na bol na ovaj način.
07:44
After that, he hit the books.
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Nakon toga, počeo je da čita.
07:47
He read every medical textbook
he could get his hands on,
he could get his hands on,
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Pročitao je svaku knjigu o medicini
koju je mogao da nađe,
koju je mogao da nađe,
07:50
carefully noting every mention
of the word "pain."
of the word "pain."
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beležeći svaki put
kada bi se spomenula reč "bol".
kada bi se spomenula reč "bol".
07:54
Out of the 14,000 pages he read,
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Od 14.000 strana koje je pročitao,
07:58
the word "pain" was
on 17 and a half of them.
on 17 and a half of them.
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reč "bol" nalazila se na 17 i po.
08:02
Seventeen and a half.
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Sedamnaest i po.
08:04
For the most basic, most common,
most frustrating part of being a patient.
most frustrating part of being a patient.
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Za najosnovniji, najčešći, najviše
frustrirajući osećaj svakog pacijenta.
frustrirajući osećaj svakog pacijenta.
08:10
Bonica was shocked -- I'm quoting him,
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Bonika je bio zaprepašćen - citiram,
08:13
he said, "What the hell kind of conclusion
can you come to there?
can you come to there?
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"Do kakvog zaključka se odande može doći?
08:17
The most important thing
from the patient's perspective,
from the patient's perspective,
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O najbitnijoj stvari
iz perspektive pacijenta
iz perspektive pacijenta
08:20
they don't talk about."
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oni uopšte ne govore."
08:23
So over the next eight years,
Bonica would talk about it.
Bonica would talk about it.
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Tako je sledećih osam godina
Bonika govorio o tome.
Bonika govorio o tome.
08:27
He'd write about it; he'd write
those missing pages.
those missing pages.
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Pisao je o tome; ispisao je
stranice koje nedostaju.
stranice koje nedostaju.
08:30
He wrote what would later be known
as the Bible of Pain.
as the Bible of Pain.
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Napisao je knjigu
kasnije poznatu kao Biblija Bola.
kasnije poznatu kao Biblija Bola.
08:34
In it he proposed new strategies,
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U njoj je izlagao nove strategije,
08:38
new treatments using
nerve-block injections.
nerve-block injections.
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nove postupke anestetiziranja nerava.
08:41
He proposed a new institution,
the Pain Clinic,
the Pain Clinic,
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Predložio je instituciju, Kliniku Bola,
08:44
based on those lunchtime meetings.
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koja se zasnivala na onim sastancima
za vreme ručka.
za vreme ručka.
08:47
But the most important thing
about his book
about his book
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Najbitnija stvar
u vezi sa njegovom knjigom
u vezi sa njegovom knjigom
08:49
was that it was kind of an emotional
alarm bell for medicine.
alarm bell for medicine.
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je to što je predstavljala
emotivno buđenje u medicini.
emotivno buđenje u medicini.
08:54
A desperate plea to doctors
to take pain seriously
to take pain seriously
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Molba doktorima da shvate bol ozbiljno
09:00
in patients' lives.
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u životima svojih pacijenata.
09:03
He recast the very purpose of medicine.
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Izmenio je sam smisao medicine.
09:07
The goal wasn't to make patients better;
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Cilj nije bio da pacijentu bude bolje;
09:11
it was to make patients feel better.
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cilj je bio da se pacijent oseća bolje.
09:16
He pushed his pain agenda for decades,
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Decenijama je pričao o bolu,
09:19
before it finally took hold
in the mid-'70s.
in the mid-'70s.
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Do '70-ih kada je konačno
dobio priznanje.
dobio priznanje.
09:22
Hundreds of pain clinics sprung up
all over the world.
all over the world.
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Stotine klinika za bol
pojavile su se u svetu.
pojavile su se u svetu.
09:27
But as they did -- a tragic twist.
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Ali dok se to dešavalo,
desila se i jedna tragična stvar.
desila se i jedna tragična stvar.
09:31
Bonica's years of wrestling
caught up to him.
caught up to him.
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Godine rvanja
ostavile su posledice na Boniki.
ostavile su posledice na Boniki.
09:36
He had been out of the ring
for over 20 years,
for over 20 years,
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Nije bio u ringu više od 20 godina,
09:38
but those 1,500 professional bouts
had left a mark on his body.
had left a mark on his body.
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ali tih 1.500 mečeva ostavilo je trag
na njegovom telu.
na njegovom telu.
09:43
Still in his mid-50s, he suffered
severe osteoarthritis.
severe osteoarthritis.
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Još u 50-im godinama
dobio je ozbiljan osteoartritis.
dobio je ozbiljan osteoartritis.
09:48
Over the next 20 years
he'd have 22 surgeries,
he'd have 22 surgeries,
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Za sledećih 20 godina
imao je 22 operacije,
imao je 22 operacije,
09:52
including four spine operations,
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od čega četiri operacije kičme,
09:54
and hip replacement after hip replacement.
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i mnogobrojne operacije kukova.
09:58
He could barely raise
his arm, turn his neck.
his arm, turn his neck.
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Jedva je dizao ruke i okretao vrat.
10:02
He needed aluminum crutches to walk.
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Bile su mu potrebne štake da bi hodao.
10:05
His friends and former students
became his doctors.
became his doctors.
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Prijatelji i bivši studenti
postali su mu doktori.
postali su mu doktori.
10:09
One recalled that he probably
had more nerve-block injections
had more nerve-block injections
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Jedan je izjavio da je on
verovatno primio više anestezija
verovatno primio više anestezija
10:14
than anyone else on the planet.
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nego iko na planeti.
10:18
Already a workaholic,
he worked even more --
he worked even more --
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Već radoholičar, radio je još više -
10:21
15- to 18-hour days.
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15 do 18 sati dnevno.
10:23
Healing others became more
than just his job,
than just his job,
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Lečenje mu je postalo više od posla,
10:26
it was his own most effective
form of relief.
form of relief.
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njegov najefektivniji oblik olakšanja.
10:30
"If I wasn't as busy as I am,"
he told a reporter at the time,
he told a reporter at the time,
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"Da nisam ovako zauzet,"
rekao je jednom reporteru,
rekao je jednom reporteru,
10:34
"I would be a completely disabled guy."
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"bio bih potpuni invalid."
10:39
On a business trip to Florida
in the early 1980s,
in the early 1980s,
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Na poslovnom putu na Floridi ranih '80-ih,
10:42
Bonica got a former student to drive
him to the Hyde Park area in Tampa.
him to the Hyde Park area in Tampa.
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Bonika se sa studentom odvezao
do parka Hajd u Tampi.
do parka Hajd u Tampi.
10:49
They drove past palm trees
and pulled up to an old mansion,
and pulled up to an old mansion,
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Prolazili su pored palmi
i zaustavili se kraj stare vile,
i zaustavili se kraj stare vile,
10:53
with giant silver howitzer cannons
hidden in the garage.
hidden in the garage.
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sa ogromnim topovima skrivenim u garaži.
10:58
The house belonged to the Zacchini family,
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Kuća je pripadala porodici Zakini,
11:01
who were something like
American circus royalty.
American circus royalty.
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koji su bili nešto poput
cirkuske aristokratije u Americi.
cirkuske aristokratije u Americi.
11:06
Decades earlier, Bonica had watched them,
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Godinama ranije, Bonika ih je gledao,
11:08
clad in silver jumpsuits and goggles,
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obučene u srebrna odela sa naočarima,
11:11
doing the act they pioneered --
the Human Cannonball.
the Human Cannonball.
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kako izvode tačku koju su smislili -
Čovek đule.
Čovek đule.
11:16
But now they were like him: retired.
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Sada su bili kao i on - u penziji.
11:21
That generation is all dead
now, including Bonica,
now, including Bonica,
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Ta generacija, zajedno sa Bonikom,
sada je nestala
sada je nestala
11:24
so there's no way to know exactly
what they said that day.
what they said that day.
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tako da se ne može znati
o čemu su tada pričali.
o čemu su tada pričali.
11:28
But still, I love imagining it.
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Ipak, volim da zamišljam.
11:31
The strongman and the human
cannonballs reunited,
cannonballs reunited,
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Snagator i Ljudi đulad ponovo na okupu,
11:34
showing off old scars, and new ones.
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hvale se starim i novim ožiljcima.
11:37
Maybe Bonica gave them medical advice.
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Možda im je Bonika dao
savete u vezi zdravlja.
savete u vezi zdravlja.
11:40
Maybe he told them what he later
said in an oral history,
said in an oral history,
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Možda im je rekao ono što je i kasnije
izjavio u usmenom predanju,
izjavio u usmenom predanju,
11:45
which is that his time in the circus
and wrestling deeply molded his life.
and wrestling deeply molded his life.
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da su život u cirkusu i rvanje
duboko obeležili njegov život.
duboko obeležili njegov život.
11:53
Bonica saw pain close up.
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Bonika je gledao bolu u oči.
11:57
He felt it. He lived it.
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Osetio ga je. Živeo ga.
12:00
And it made it impossible
for him to ignore in others.
for him to ignore in others.
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Zbog toga nije mogao
da ga ne primeti u drugima.
da ga ne primeti u drugima.
12:05
Out of that empathy, he spun
a whole new field,
a whole new field,
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Iz te empatije, razvio je celo polje,
12:08
played a major role in getting
medicine to acknowledge pain
medicine to acknowledge pain
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imao ogromnu ulogu u borbi
sa medicinom oko shvatanja bola
sa medicinom oko shvatanja bola
12:11
in and of itself.
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kao nezavisne pojave.
12:14
In that same oral history,
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U tom istom usmenom predanju,
12:16
Bonica claimed that pain
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Bonika je tvrdio da je bol
12:19
is the most complex human experience.
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najsloženije ljudsko iskustvo.
12:24
That it involves your past life,
your current life,
your current life,
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Da uključuje vašu prošlost, sadašnjost,
12:28
your interactions, your family.
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interakcije, porodicu.
12:31
That was definitely true for Bonica.
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Ovo se sigurno odnosilo na Boniku.
12:34
But it was also true for my mom.
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Ali se takođe odnosi i na moju majku.
12:40
It's easy for doctors to see my mom
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Doktorima je lako da je vide
12:43
as a kind of professional patient,
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sa profesionalne strane,
12:46
a woman who just spends her days
in waiting rooms.
in waiting rooms.
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kao ženu koja život provodi u čekaonicama.
12:51
Sometimes I get stuck seeing her
that same way.
that same way.
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Ponekad je čak i ja tako vidim.
12:57
But as I saw Bonica's pain --
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Ali kada sam video Bonikin bol,
12:59
a testament to his fully lived life --
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dokaz života proživljenog punim plućima,
13:03
I started to remember all the things
that my mom's pain holds.
that my mom's pain holds.
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počeo sam se prisećati svih stvari
koje nosi bol moje majke.
koje nosi bol moje majke.
13:10
Before they got swollen and arthritic,
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Pre nego što su otekli i ukočili se,
13:14
my mom's fingers clacked away
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prsti moje majke su vredno kuckali
13:17
in the hospital H.R. department
where she worked.
where she worked.
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u kadrovskoj službi bolnice
u kojoj je radila.
u kojoj je radila.
13:21
They folded samosas for our entire mosque.
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Spremali su samose za celu našu džamiju.
13:26
When I was a kid, they cut my hair,
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Kad sam bio mali, šišali su mi kosu,
13:30
wiped my nose,
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brisali nos,
13:32
tied my shoes.
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vezivali pertle.
13:41
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
13:43
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Latif Nasser - Radio researcherLatif Nasser is the director of research at Radiolab, where he has reported on such disparate topics as culture-bound illnesses, snowflake photography, sinking islands and 16th-century automata.
Why you should listen
The history of science is "brimming with tales stranger than fiction," says Latif Nasser, who wrote his PhD dissertation on the Tanganyika Laughter Epidemic of 1962. A writer and researcher, Nasser is now the research director at Radiolab, a job that allows him to dive into archives, talk to interesting people and tell stories as a way to think about science and society.
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