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Jason Fried - Software entrepreneur
Jason Fried thinks deeply about collaboration, productivity and the nature of work. He's the co-founder of 37signals, makers of Basecamp and other web-based collaboration tools, and co-author of "Rework."

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Jason Fried is the co-founder and president of 37signals , a Chicago-based company that builds web-based productivity tools that, in their words, "do less than the competition -- intentionally." 37signals' simple but powerful collaboration tools include Basecamp, Highrise, Backpack, Campfire, Ta-da List, and Writeboard. 37signals also developed and open-sourced the Ruby on Rails programming framework.

Fried is the co-author, with David Heinemeier Hansson, of the book Rework, about new ways to conceptualize working and creating. Salon's Scott Rosenberg called it "a minimalist manifesto that's profoundly practical. In a world where we all keep getting asked to do more with less, the authors show us how to do less and create more."

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Jason Fried: Why work doesn't happen at work

Jason Fried: Zašto se posao ne događa na poslu

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Jason Fried ima radikalnu teoriju rada: tvrdi kako uredi nisu dobra mjesta za obavljanje posla. Na TEDxMidwest konferenciji on izlaže glavne probleme (naziva ih M&M) i nudi tri prijedloga da potakne posao na posao.
- Software entrepreneur
Jason Fried thinks deeply about collaboration, productivity and the nature of work. He's the co-founder of 37signals, makers of Basecamp and other web-based collaboration tools, and co-author of "Rework." Full bio

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So I'm going to talk about work,
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Dakle govoriti ću o poslu,
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specificallyposebno why people can't seemčiniti se
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specifično zašto ljudi ne uspjevaju
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to get work doneučinio at work,
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obaviti posao na poslu,
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whichkoji is a problemproblem we all kindljubazan of have.
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što je problem koji svi na neki način imamo.
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But let's, sortvrsta of, startpočetak at the beginningpočetak.
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Ali započnimo s početkom.
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So we have companiestvrtke and non-profitsneprofitne organizacije and charitiesdobrotvorne udruge
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Imamo kompanije, neprofitne i dobrotvorne organizacije
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and all these groupsgrupe
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i sve te grupe
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that have employeeszaposlenici
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koje imaju zaposlenike
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or volunteersvolonteri of some sortvrsta.
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ili neku vrstu volontera.
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And they expectočekivati these people who work for them
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I oni očekuju da ti ljudi koji rade za njih
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to do great work --
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obave sjajan posao --
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I would hopenada, at leastnajmanje.
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nadam se, u najmanju ruku.
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At leastnajmanje good work, hopefullynadajmo se, at leastnajmanje it's good work --
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Najmanje dobar posao, to je dobar posao --
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hopefullynadajmo se great work.
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nadajući se sjajnom poslu.
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And so what they typicallytipično do is they decideodlučiti
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I ono što tipično rade je da odluče
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that all these people need to come togetherzajedno in one placemjesto
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da svi ti ljudi trebaju zajedno doći na jedno mjesto
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to do that work.
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i obaviti posao.
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So a companydruštvo, or a charitymilosrđe, or an organizationorganizacija of any kindljubazan,
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Tako kompanije, ili dobrotvorne ustanove, ili organizacije bilo koje vrste,
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they typicallytipično -- unlessosim ako you're workingrad in AfricaAfrika,
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one tpično -- osim ako radite u Africi,
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if you're really luckysretan to do that --
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ako ste sretni da tamo radite --
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mostnajviše people have to go to an officeured everysvaki day.
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većina ljudi mora ići u ured svaki dan.
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And so these companiestvrtke,
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Tako te kompanije,
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they buildizgraditi officesuredi.
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grade urede.
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They go out and they buykupiti a buildingzgrada, or they rentnajam a buildingzgrada,
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Izađu i kupe zgradu, ili iznajme zgradu,
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or they leasezakup some spaceprostor,
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ili uzmu na leasing neki prostor,
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and they fillispuniti the spaceprostor with stuffstvari.
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i napune prostor stvarima.
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They fillispuniti it with tablesstolovi, or desksstolovi,
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Napune ga sa stolovima, ili radnim stolovima,
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chairsstolice, computerračunalo equipmentoprema,
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stolicama, računalnom opremom,
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softwaresoftver,
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softverom,
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InternetInternet accesspristup,
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pristupom Internetu,
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maybe a fridgehladnjak, maybe a fewnekoliko other things,
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možda frižiderima, možda nekim drugim stvarima,
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and they expectočekivati theirnjihov employeeszaposlenici, or theirnjihov volunteersvolonteri,
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i očekuju da njihovi zaposlenici, ili njihovi volonteri,
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to come to that locationmjesto everysvaki day to do great work.
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dođu na tu lokaciju svaki dan i obave sjajan posao.
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It seemsčini se like it's perfectlysavršeno reasonablerazuman to askpitati that.
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Čini se savršeno razumnim to tražiti.
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HoweverMeđutim, if you actuallyzapravo talk to people
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Ipak, ako stvarno razgovarate s ljudima
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and even questionpitanje yourselfsami,
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ili upitate sebe,
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and you askpitati yourselfsami,
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i upitate se,
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where do you really want to go when you really need to get something doneučinio?
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gdje želite otići kada stvarno trebate nešto obaviti?
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You'llVi ćete find out that people don't say
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Otkriti ćete da ljudi ne kažu
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what businessespoduzeća think they would say.
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ono što poduzeća misle da će reći.
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If you askpitati people the questionpitanje: where do you really need to go
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Ako postavite ljudima pitanje: gdje trebate otići
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when you need to get something doneučinio?
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kada nešto trebate obaviti?
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TypicallyObično you get threetri differentdrugačiji kindsvrste of answersodgovori.
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Tipično dobijete tri različite vrste odgovora.
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One is kindljubazan of a placemjesto or a locationmjesto or a roomsoba.
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Jedna vrsta se odnosi na mjesto ili lokaciju ili sobu.
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AnotherJoš jedan one is a movingkreće objectobjekt
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Druga je objekt u pokretu.
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and a thirdtreći is a time.
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I treća je vrijeme.
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So here'sevo some examplesprimjeri.
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Evo nekih primjera.
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When I askpitati people -- and I've been askingtraži people this questionpitanje for about 10 yearsgodina --
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Kada pitam ljude -- i pitam ovo pitanje ljude već 10 godina --
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I askpitati them, "Where do you go when you really need to get something doneučinio?"
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pitam ih, "Gdje idete kada trebate stvarno nešto napraviti?"
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I'll hearčuti things like, the porchtrijem, the deckpaluba,
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Čujem mjesta poput trijema, stola,
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the kitchenkuhinja.
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kuhinje.
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I'll hearčuti things like an extraekstra roomsoba in the housekuća,
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Čujem stvari poput dodatne sobe u kući,
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the basementpodrum,
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podruma,
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the coffeekava shopdućan, the libraryknjižnica.
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kafića, knjižnice.
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And then you'llvi ćete hearčuti things like the trainvlak,
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I onda ćete čuti stvari poput vlaka,
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a planeavion, a carautomobil -- so, the commutemijenjati.
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aviona, auta -- dakle prijevoz.
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And then you'llvi ćete hearčuti people say,
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I onda ćete čuti da ljudi kažu,
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"Well, it doesn't really matterstvar where I am,
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"U stvari nije toliko važno gdje sam,
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as long as it's really earlyrano in the morningjutro or really latekasno at night or on the weekendsvikendom."
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dok god je rano ujutro ili kasno uvečer ili vikendom."
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You almostskoro never hearčuti someonenetko say the officeured.
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Gotovo nikada ne čujete kako netko spomene ured.
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But businessespoduzeća are spendingtrošenje all this moneynovac on this placemjesto calledzvao the officeured,
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Ali poslovne organizacije troše sav taj novac na to mjesto koje nazivamo uredom,
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and they're makingizrađivanje people go to it all the time,
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i prisiljavaju ljude da idu u njih svo vrijeme,
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yetjoš people don't do work in the officeured.
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ipak ljudi opet ne rade u uredu.
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What is that about?
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O čemu se tu radi?
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Why is that?
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Zbog čega?
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Why is that happeningdogađa?
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Zašto se to događa?
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And what you find out is that, if you digkopati a little bitbit deeperdublje,
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I ono što pronađete, ako kopate malo dublje,
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you find out that people --
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otkrijete da ljudi --
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this is what happensdogađa se --
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evo što se događa --
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people go to work,
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ljudi idu na posao,
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and they're basicallyu osnovi tradingtrgovački in theirnjihov workdayradnog dana
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i oni u osnovi razmjenjuju svoj radni dan
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for a seriesniz of "work momentstrenutke."
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za serije radnih trenutaka.
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That's what happensdogađa se at the officeured.
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To je ono što se događa u uredu.
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You don't have a workdayradnog dana anymoreviše. You have work momentstrenutke.
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Više nemate radni dan, već imate radne trenutke.
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It's like the frontispred doorvrata of the officeured is like a CuisinartCuisinart,
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To je kao da je glavni ulaz ureda poput Cuisinarta,
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and you walkhodati in and your day is shreddedisjeckan to bitskomadići,
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kada uđete, vaš dan je raskomadan na komadiće,
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because you have 15 minutesminuta here and 30 minutesminuta there,
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jer imate 15 minuta ovdje i 30 minuta tamo,
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and then something elsedrugo happensdogađa se and you're pulledizvukao off your work,
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i onda se dogodi nešto drugo i vas izvuku s posla,
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and you've got to do something elsedrugo, then you have 20 minutesminuta, then it's lunchručak.
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nakon toga trebate napraviti nešto drugo, onda imate 20 minuta, onda je ručak.
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Then you have something elsedrugo to do.
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Onda opet nešto drugo trebate napraviti,
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Then you've got 15 minutesminuta, and someonenetko pullsvučenje you asideu stranu and askspita you this questionpitanje,
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onda imate 15 minuta, i onda vas netko pozove na stranu i postavi Vam to pitanje.
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and before you know it, it's 5 p.m.,
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I prije nego što shvatite, već je 17:00 sati,
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and you look back on the day,
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pogledate na svoj dan,
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and you realizeostvariti that you didn't get anything doneučinio.
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i shvatite da niste ništa konkretno napravili.
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I mean, we'veimamo all been throughkroz this.
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Mislim, svi smo prošli kroz to.
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We probablyvjerojatno wentotišao throughkroz it yesterdayjučer,
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Vjerojatno smo kroz to prošli jučer,
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or the day before, or the day before that.
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ili dan prije toga, ili dan prije toga.
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You look back on your day, and you're like, I got nothing doneučinio todaydanas.
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Osvrnete se na svoj dan, i zaključite, nisam ništa napravio danas.
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I was at work.
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Bio sam na poslu.
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I satsat at my deskstol. I used my expensiveskup computerračunalo.
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Sjedio sam za stolom. Koristio sam svoje skupo računalo.
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I used the softwaresoftver they told me to use.
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Koristio sam softver za koji su mi rekli da ga koristim.
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I wentotišao to these meetingssastanci I was askedpitao to go to.
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Išao sam na sastanke za koje su mi rekli da idem.
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I did these conferencekonferencija callspozivi. I did all this stuffstvari.
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Obavio sam te konferencijske pozive. Obavio sam sve te stvari.
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But I didn't actuallyzapravo do anything.
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Ali u stvari nisam ništa napravio.
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I just did taskszadaci.
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Obavio sam zadatke.
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I didn't actuallyzapravo get meaningfulznačajan work doneučinio.
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Nisam u stvari napravio ništa svrsishodno.
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And what you find is that, especiallyposebno with creativekreativan people --
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I ono što ćete pronaći je, posebno kreativni ljudi --
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designersdizajneri, programmersprogramera,
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dizajneri, programeri,
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writerspisci, engineersinženjeri,
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pisci, inžinjeri,
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thinkersmislioci --
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mislioci --
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that people really need
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ti ljudi stvarno trebaju
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long stretchesproteže se of uninterruptedneprekinut time to get something doneučinio.
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duža razdoblja bez ometanja kako bi nešto napravili.
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You cannotNe možete askpitati somebodyneko to be creativekreativan in 15 minutesminuta
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Ne možete tražiti od nekoga da bude kreativan u 15 minuta
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and really think about a problemproblem.
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i stvarno razmisli o problemu.
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You mightmoć have a quickbrz ideaideja,
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Možda ćete imati brzinsku ideju,
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but to be in deepduboko thought about a problemproblem and really considerrazmotriti a problemproblem carefullypažljivo,
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ali da biste dublje razmislili o problemu i stvarno razmotrili problem pažljivo,
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you need long stretchesproteže se of uninterruptedneprekinut time.
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trebate duže vremenske periode bez da vas netko ometa.
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And even thoughiako the workdayradnog dana is typicallytipično eightosam hourssati,
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I premda tipičan radni dan traje osam sati,
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how manymnogi people here have ever had eightosam hourssati to themselvesse at the officeured?
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koliko ljudi među nama je imalo osam sati u uredu samo za sebe?
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How about sevensedam hourssati?
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Što je sa sedam sati?
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SixŠest? FivePet? FourČetiri?
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Šest? Pet? Četiri?
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When'sKada je the last time you had threetri hourssati to yourselfsami at the officeured?
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Kada ste zadnji puta imali tri sata za sebe u uredu?
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Two hourssati? One, maybe?
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Dva sata? Jedan, možda.
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Very, very fewnekoliko people actuallyzapravo have
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Jako, jako malo ljudi u stvari ima
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long stretchesproteže se of uninterruptedneprekinut time at an officeured.
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duže periode vremena u uredu bez da ih netko ometa.
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And this is why people chooseizabrati to do work at home,
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I to je zašto ljudi izabiru raditi kod kuće,
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or they mightmoć go to the officeured,
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ili možda idu u ured,
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but they mightmoć go to the officeured really earlyrano in the day,
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ali mogu ići u ured stvarno rano tijekom dana,
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or latekasno at night when no one'sjedan je around,
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ili kasno noću kada nema nikoga,
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or they stickštap around after everyone'ssvi su left, or they go in on the weekendsvikendom,
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ili ostanu nakon što svi odu, ili dolaze vikendom,
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or they get work doneučinio on the planeavion,
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ili naprave posao u avionu,
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or they get work doneučinio in the carautomobil or in the trainvlak
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ili obave posao u autu ili u vlaku
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because there are no distractionsometanja.
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jer tamo nema ničega što bi nam odvraćalo pažnju.
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Now, there are differentdrugačiji kindsvrste of distractionsometanja,
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Postoje različite vrste distrakcija
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but there aren'tnisu the really badloše kindsvrste of distractionsometanja
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ali nema stvarno loših vrsta distrakcija
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that I'll talk about in just a minuteminuta.
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o kojima ću pričati uskoro.
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And this sortvrsta of wholečitav phenomenonfenomen
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I ta vrsta cijelog fenomena
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of havingima shortkratak burstsizboji of time to get things doneučinio
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imanja kratkih naleta vremena kada se stvari naprave
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remindspodsjeća me of anotherjoš thing
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podsjeća me na drugu stvar
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that doesn't work when you're interruptedprekida,
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koja ne radi kada vas prekidaju,
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and that is sleepspavati.
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a to je san.
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I think that sleepspavati and work are very closelytijesno relatedpovezan,
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Mislim kako su san i rad jako blisko povezani.
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and it's not just that you can work while you're sleepingspavanje
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I nije samo da možete raditi dok spavate
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and you can sleepspavati while you're workingrad.
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i da možete spavati dok radite.
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That's not really what I mean.
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To nije ono što mislim.
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I'm talkingkoji govori specificallyposebno about the factčinjenica
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Govorim specifično o činjenici
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that sleepspavati and work
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da su san i posao
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are phased-basedna temelju novog,
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bazirani na fazama,
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or stage-basedna temelju fazi, eventsdogađaji.
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ili stupnjevitim događajima.
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So sleepspavati is about sleepspavati phasesfaze, or stagesfaze --
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U snu se radi o fazama sna, ili stupnjevima --
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some people call them differentdrugačiji things.
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različiti ljudi ih različito nazivaju.
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There's fivepet of them,
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Ima ih pet,
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and in ordernarudžba to get to the really deepduboko onesone, the really meaningfulznačajan onesone,
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i kako biste došli do stvarno dubokih, onih koje nešto znače,
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you have to go throughkroz the earlyrano onesone.
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morate proći kroz one koje prethode.
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And if you're interruptedprekida while you're going throughkroz the earlyrano onesone --
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I ako vas prekinu dok prolazite kroz rane --
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if someonenetko bumpskvrga you in bedkrevet,
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ako vas netko udari u krevetu,
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or if there's a soundzvuk, or whateveršto god happensdogađa se --
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ili ako postoji zvuk, ili što god da se dogodi --
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you don't just pickodabrati up where you left off.
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ne nastavite jednostavno tamo gdje ste stali.
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If you're interruptedprekida and wokenProbudio up,
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Ako vas prekinu i probude,
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you have to startpočetak again.
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morate ponovno započeti.
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So you have to go back a fewnekoliko phasesfaze and startpočetak again.
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Morate se vratiti nekoliko faza i započeti ponovno.
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And what endskrajevi up happeningdogađa -- sometimesponekad you mightmoć have daysdana like this
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I ono što se na kraju događa -- ponekad imate dane poput tih
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where you wakeprobuditi up at eightosam in the morningjutro, or sevensedam in the morningjutro,
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gdje se probudite u osam ujutro ili sedam ujutro,
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or wheneverkada you get up,
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ili kada god da se ustajete,
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and you're like, man, I didn't really sleepspavati very well.
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i pomislite, čovječe nisam najbolje spavao.
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I did the sleepspavati thing -- I wentotišao to bedkrevet, I laidlaid down --
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Odradio sam san -- otišao sam u krevet, legao --
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but I didn't really sleepspavati.
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ali nisam stvarno spavao.
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People say you go to sleepspavati,
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Ljudi kažu kako idu spavati,
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but you really don't go to sleepspavati, you go towardsza sleepspavati.
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ali ne idete spavati, idete prema snu.
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It just takes a while. You've got to go throughkroz these phasesfaze and stuffstvari,
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Jednostavno vam treba neko vrijeme; morate proći kroz faze i stvari.
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and if you're interruptedprekida, you don't sleepspavati well.
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I ako vas prekinu, ne spavate dobro.
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So how do we expectočekivati -- does anyonebilo tko here expectočekivati someonenetko to sleepspavati well
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Kako onda očekujemo -- očekuje li netko ovdje da netko može spavati dobro
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if they're interruptedprekida all night?
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ako ih se prekida cijelu noć?
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I don't think anyonebilo tko would say yes.
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Ne mislim da će itko reći da.
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Why do we expectočekivati people to work well
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Zašto očekujemo da će ljudi raditi dobro
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if they're beingbiće interruptedprekida all day at the officeured?
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ako ih prekidaju cijeli dan u uredu?
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How can we possiblymožda expectočekivati people to do theirnjihov jobposao
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Kako možemo očekivati od ljudi da naprave svoj posao
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if they're going to the officeured to be interruptedprekida?
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ako idu u urede da bi ih prekidali?
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That doesn't really seemčiniti se like it makesmarke a lot of senseosjećaj to me.
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Ne čini mi se da to ima previše smisla.
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So what are these interruptionsprekida that happendogoditi se at the officeured
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Dakle što su ti prekidi koji se događaju u uredu
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that don't happendogoditi se at other placesmjesta?
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a koji se ne događaju na drugim mjestima?
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Because in other placesmjesta, you can have interruptionsprekida,
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Jer, na drugim mjestima, možete imati prekide,
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like, you can have the TVTV,
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poput, televizije,
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or you could go for a walkhodati,
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ili se možete prošetati,
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or there's a fridgehladnjak downstairsdole,
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ili imati frižider u blizini,
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or you've got your ownvlastiti couchkauč, or whateveršto god you want to do.
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ili imate svoj kauč, ili što god željeli raditi.
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And if you talk to certainsiguran managersmenadžeri,
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I ako pričate s nekim menadžerima,
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they'lloni će tell you that they don't want theirnjihov employeeszaposlenici to work at home
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oni će vam reći kako ne žele da njihovi radnici rade od kuće
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because of these distractionsometanja.
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jer će imati te distrakcije.
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They'llOni će alsotakođer say --
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Također će vam reći --
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sometimesponekad they'lloni će alsotakođer say,
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ponekad će vam isto reći,
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"Well, if I can't see the personosoba, how do I know they're workingrad?"
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"Ako ne vidim osobu, kako znam da radi?"
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whichkoji is ridiculoussmiješan, of coursenaravno, but that's one of the excusesisprika that managersmenadžeri give.
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što je naravno smiješno, ali to je isprika koju će vam dati menadžeri.
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And I'm one of these managersmenadžeri.
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I ja sam jedan od tih menadžera.
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I understandrazumjeti. I know how this goeside.
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Razumijem; znam kako to radi.
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We all have to improvepoboljšati on this sortvrsta of thing.
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Svi se moramo poboljšati u tim stvarima.
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But oftentimesčesto they'lloni će citecitirati distractionsometanja.
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Ali često će navesti distrakcije.
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"I can't let someonenetko work at home.
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"Ne mogu nekome dopustiti da radi kod kuće.
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They'llOni će watch TVTV. They'llOni će do this other thing."
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Gledati će TV. Činiti će druge stvari."
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It turnsokreti out that those aren'tnisu the things that are really distractingodvlače.
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Ispada kako to nisu stvari koje stvarno odvraćaju pažnju.
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Because those are voluntarydobrovoljan distractionsometanja.
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Jer su to dobrovoljne distrakcije.
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You decideodlučiti when you want to be distractedometen by the TVTV.
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Vi odlučujete kada će vam televizija odvratiti pažnju.
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You decideodlučiti when you want to turnskretanje something on.
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Vi odlučujete kada ćete nešto upaliti.
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You decideodlučiti when you want to go downstairsdole or go for a walkhodati.
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Vi odlučujete kada ćete se spustiti ili otići u šetnju.
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At the officeured, mostnajviše of the interruptionsprekida and distractionsometanja
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U uredu, većina prekidanja i distrakcija
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that really causeuzrok people not to get work doneučinio
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koja stvarno uzrokuju da ljudi ne obave svoj posao
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are involuntarynenamjeran.
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jesu nedobrovoljne.
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So let's go throughkroz a couplepar of those.
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Prođimo kroz nekoliko njih.
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Now, managersmenadžeri and bossesŠefovi
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Sada, menadžeri i šefovi
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will oftenčesto have you think that the realstvaran distractionsometanja at work
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će vas nagnati da mislite kako su stvarne distrakcije na poslu
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are things like FacebookFacebook and TwitterTwitter
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stvari poput Facebooka i Twittera
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and YouTubeMladost and other websitesweb stranice,
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i Youtubea i drugih web stranica.
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and in factčinjenica, they'lloni će go so fardaleko
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I u stvari, oni će ići toliko daleko
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as to actuallyzapravo banzabrana these sitesstranice at work.
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da će stvarno zabraniti te stranice na poslu.
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Some of you maysvibanj work at placesmjesta where you can't get to these certainsiguran sitesstranice.
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Neki od vas možda rade na mjestima gdje nemate pristup tim stranicama.
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I mean, is this ChinaKina? What the hellpakao is going on here?
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Mislim, je li ovo Kina? Što se tu događa?
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You can't go to a websiteweb stranica at work,
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Ne možete otići do nekih web stranica,
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and that's the problemproblem, that's why people aren'tnisu gettinguzimajući work doneučinio,
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i to je problem, to je razlog zašto ljudi ne obavljaju svoj posao,
08:15
because they're going to FacebookFacebook and they're going to TwitterTwitter?
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jer idu na Facebook i idu na Twitter?
08:17
That's kindljubazan of ridiculoussmiješan. It's a totalukupno decoymamac.
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To je na neki način smiješno. To je velika zabluda.
08:22
And today'sdanas je FacebookFacebook and TwitterTwitter and YouTubeMladost,
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I današnji Facebook i Twitter i Youtube,
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these things are just modern-daysavremen smokedim breakspauze.
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te stvari su suvremene pauze za pušenje.
08:27
No one caredmario about lettingiznajmljivanje people take a smokedim breakpauza for 15 minutesminuta
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Nitko se nije zabrinjavao što ljudi uzimaju 15 minutnu pauzu za cigaretu
08:29
10 yearsgodina agoprije,
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prije 10 godina,
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so why does everyonesvatko carebriga about someonenetko going to FacebookFacebook here and there,
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zašto danas svi brinu o tome hoće li netko otići na Facebook tu i tamo,
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or TwitterTwitter here and there, or YouTubeMladost here and there?
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ili Twitter tu i tamo, ili Youtube tu i tamo?
08:35
Those aren'tnisu the realstvaran problemsproblemi in the officeured.
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To nisu pravi problemi u uredu.
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The realstvaran problemsproblemi are what I like to call
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Pravi problemi su oni koje ja volim nazivati
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the M&MsMS,
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M&M-i,
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the ManagersMenadžeri and the MeetingsSastanci.
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menadžeri i sastanci (Managers&Meetings).
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Those are the realstvaran problemsproblemi in the modernmoderan officeured todaydanas.
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To su pravi problemi suvremenog ureda danas.
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And this is why things don't get doneučinio at work --
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I tu su razlozi zašto se posao ne obavi na poslu,
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it's because of the M&MsMS.
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to je zbog M&M.
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Now what's interestingzanimljiv is,
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Ono što je interesantno je,
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if you listen to all the placesmjesta that people talk about doing work --
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ako slušate o svim mjestima o kojima ljudi pričaju da obavljaju posao --
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like at home, or in a carautomobil, or on a planeavion,
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poput doma, ili auta, ili aviona,
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or latekasno at night, or earlyrano in the morningjutro --
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ili kasno navečer, ili rano ujutro --
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you don't find managersmenadžeri and meetingssastanci.
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ne pronalazite menadžere i sastanke;
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You find a lot of other distractionsometanja, but you don't find managersmenadžeri and meetingssastanci.
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pronađete puno drugih distrakcija, ali ne nalazite menadžere i sastanke.
09:06
So these are the things that you don't find elsewheredrugdje,
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To su dakle stvari koje ne pronalazite drugdje,
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but you do find at the officeured.
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ali ih ima u uredu.
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And managersmenadžeri are basicallyu osnovi people
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I menadžeri su u osnovi ljudi
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whosečije jobposao it is to interruptprekinuti people.
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čiji je posao da prekidaju ljude.
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That's prettyprilično much what managersmenadžeri are for. They're for interruptingprekidajući people.
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To je uglavnom zašto menadžeri postoje, oni su tu da ometaju ljude.
09:19
They don't really do the work,
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Oni stvarno ne obavljaju posao,
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so they have to make sure everyonesvatko elsedrugo is doing the work, whichkoji is an interruptionprekida.
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tako da osiguravaju da svi drugi obavljaju posao, što je ometanje.
09:24
And we have a lot of managersmenadžeri in the worldsvijet now,
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I trenutno imamo jako puno menadžera na svijetu.
09:26
and there's a lot of people in the worldsvijet now,
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I trenutno imamo jako puno ljudi na svijetu.
09:28
and there's a lot of interruptionsprekida in the worldsvijet now because of these managersmenadžeri.
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I trenutno postoji jako puno ometanja u svijetu zbog tih menadžera.
09:30
They have to checkprovjeriti in: "Hey, how'skako je it going?
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Oni moraju provjeriti: "Bok, kako ste?
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ShowPokazati me what's up," and this sortvrsta of thing
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Pokažite mi što se događa," i slično.
09:34
and they keep interruptingprekidajući you at the wrongpogrešno time,
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I nastavljaju ometati vas u krivo vrijeme,
09:36
while you're actuallyzapravo tryingtežak to do something they're payingplaćati you to do,
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dok u stvari pokušavate napraviti nešto za što vas plaćaju,
09:39
they tendskloni to interruptprekinuti you.
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oni imaju tendenciju da vas ometaju.
09:41
That's kindljubazan of badloše.
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To je na neki način loše.
09:43
But what's even worsegore is the thing that managersmenadžeri do mostnajviše of all,
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Ali ono što je još gore je stvar koju menadžeri rade više od ičega,
09:46
whichkoji is call meetingssastanci.
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koja se naziva sastancima.
09:48
And meetingssastanci are just toxicotrovan,
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A sastanci su jednostavno otrovni,
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terribleužasan, poisonousotrovan things
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grozne, otrovne stvari
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duringza vrijeme the day at work.
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za vrijeme radnog dana.
09:55
We all know this to be truepravi,
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Svi znamo kako je to istina.
09:58
and you would never see a spontaneousspontan meetingsastanak calledzvao by employeeszaposlenici.
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I nikada nećete doživjeti spontani sastanak koji su sazvali zaposlenici;
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It doesn't work that way.
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to ne funkcionira na taj način.
10:02
The managermenadžer callspozivi the meetingsastanak
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Menadžeri sazivaju sastanke,
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so the employeeszaposlenici can all come togetherzajedno,
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kako bi zaposlenici mogli doći zajedno,
10:06
and it's an incrediblynevjerojatno disruptivekoji remeti thing to do to people --
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i to je nevjerojatna ometajuća stvar koju možete napraviti ljudima --
10:08
is to say, "Hey look,
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reći, "Gledaj,
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we're going to bringdonijeti 10 people togetherzajedno right now and have a meetingsastanak.
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dovesti ćemo 10 ljudi sada i imati sastanak.
10:13
I don't carebriga what you're doing.
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Ne zanima me što radite.
10:15
Just, you've got to stop doing what you're doing, so you can have this meetingsastanak."
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Samo morate prestati raditi ono što radite, kako bismo mogli imati sastanak."
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I mean, what are the chancesšanse that all 10 people are readyspreman to stop?
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Mislim, koje su šanse da je svih 10 ljudi spremno stati?
10:21
What if they're thinkingmišljenje about something importantvažno?
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Što ako razmišljaju o nečemu jako važnom?
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What if they're doing importantvažno work?
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Što ako rade na nečem jako važnom?
10:25
All of a suddennaglo you're tellingreći them that they have to stop doing that
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Odjednom im kažete kako moraju prestati raditi kako
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to do something elsedrugo.
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bi napravili nešto drugo.
10:29
So they go into a meetingsastanak roomsoba, they get togetherzajedno,
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Tako oni odu u sobu za sastanke, okupe se zajedno,
10:32
and they talk about stuffstvari that doesn't really matterstvar usuallyobično.
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i govore o stvarima koje najčešće nisu toliko važne.
10:35
Because meetingssastanci aren'tnisu work.
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Jer sastanci nisu posao.
10:37
MeetingsSastanci are placesmjesta to go to talk about things you're supposedtrebala to be doing laterkasnije.
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Sastanci su mjesta na kojima govorite o stvarima koje biste poslije trebali napraviti.
10:40
But meetingssastanci alsotakođer procreaterađati.
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Ali sastanci su također samo rađajući.
10:42
So one meetingsastanak tendsteži to leaddovesti to anotherjoš meetingsastanak
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Tako jedan sastanak ima tendenciju da vas dovede do drugog sastanka
10:44
and tendsteži to leaddovesti to anotherjoš meetingsastanak.
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koji vas pak dovodi do novog sastanka.
10:46
There's oftenčesto too manymnogi people in the meetingssastanci,
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Često je previše ljudi na tim sastancima,
10:48
and they're very, very expensiveskup to the organizationorganizacija.
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i oni su jako, jako skupi za organizaciju.
10:51
CompaniesTvrtke oftenčesto think of a one-hourjedan sat meetingsastanak as a one-hourjedan sat meetingsastanak,
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Kompanije često razmišljaju o jednosatnom sastanku kao o jednosatnom sastanku,
10:54
but that's not truepravi, unlessosim ako there's only one personosoba in that meetingsastanak.
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ali to nije istina, osim ako je na sastanku samo jedna osoba.
10:57
If there are 10 people in the meetingsastanak, it's a 10-hour-sat meetingsastanak; it's not a one-hourjedan sat meetingsastanak.
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Ako je 10 ljudi na sastanku, to je 10-satni sastanak, to nije jednosatni sastanak.
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It's 10 hourssati of productivityproduktivnost takenpoduzete from the restodmor of the organizationorganizacija
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To je 10 sati produktivnosti koje ste skinuli od ostatka organizacije
11:03
to have this one one-hourjedan sat meetingsastanak,
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kako biste imali jednosatni sastanak,
11:05
whichkoji probablyvjerojatno should have been handledrukovati by two or threetri people
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koji je vjerojatno trebao biti za samo dvoje ili troje ljudi
11:08
talkingkoji govori for a fewnekoliko minutesminuta.
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i trajati nekoliko minuta.
11:10
But insteadumjesto, there's a long scheduledraspored meetingsastanak,
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Ali umjesto, imati dugi planirani sastanak,
11:12
because meetingssastanci are scheduledraspored the way softwaresoftver worksdjela,
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jer su sastanci planirani u skladu s načinom na koji softver radi,
11:15
whichkoji is in incrementskoracima of 15 minutesminuta, or 30 minutesminuta, or an hoursat.
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ili sekvencama od 15, 30 ili 60 minuta.
11:18
You don't scheduleraspored an eight-hourosam sati meetingsastanak with OutlookPrograma Outlook.
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Ne planirate osmosatni sastanak s Outlookom.
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You can't. I don't even know if you can.
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Ne možete. Ne znam možete li uopće i da hoćete.
11:22
You can go 15 minutesminuta or 30 minutesminuta or 45 minutesminuta or an hoursat.
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Možete planirati 15 minuta ili 30 minuta ili 45 minuta ili sat.
11:25
And so we tendskloni to fillispuniti these timesputa up
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I zato imamo tendenciju popuniti to vrijeme
11:27
when things should really go really quicklybrzo.
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kada bi stvari trebale teći jako brzo.
11:29
So meetingssastanci and managersmenadžeri are two majorglavni problemsproblemi in businessespoduzeća todaydanas,
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Tako su sastanci i menadžeri dva ključna problema u današnjem poslu,
11:32
especiallyposebno to officesuredi.
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posebno za urede.
11:34
These things don't existpostojati outsideizvan of the officeured.
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Te stvari ne postoje izvan ureda.
11:37
So I have some suggestionsPrijedlozi
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Tako da ja imam prijedloge
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to remedylijek the situationsituacija.
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za izliječiti situaciju.
11:42
What can managersmenadžeri do --
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Što mogu menadžeri napraviti --
11:44
enlightenedprosvijetljen managersmenadžeri, hopefullynadajmo se --
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prosvijetljeni menadžeri, nadam se --
11:46
what can they do to make the officeured a better placemjesto for people to work,
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što oni mogu napraviti da uredi budu bolja mjesta za ljude koji rade,
11:49
so it's not the last resortpribjeći, but it's the first resortpribjeći?
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tako da ne budu zadnja mjesta za rad, već prva?
11:52
It's that people startpočetak to say,
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To je trenutak u kojem će ljudi reći,
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"When I really want to get stuffstvari doneučinio, I go to the officeured."
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"Kada stvarno želim napraviti stvari, odem u ured."
11:56
Because the officesuredi are well equippedopremljen,
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Jer je ured dobro opremeljen,
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everything should be there for them to do theirnjihov work,
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sve bi trebalo biti tamo za obaviti posao,
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but they don't want to go there right now, so how do we changepromijeniti that?
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ali oni tamo ne žele sada ići, tako da moramo vidjeti što možemo napraviti da to promijenimo?
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I have threetri suggestionsPrijedlozi I'll sharePodjeli with you guys.
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Imam tri prijedloga koja ću s vama podijeliti.
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I have about threetri minutesminuta, so that'llto će fitodgovara perfectlysavršeno.
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Imam još tri minute pa bi se to trebalo savršeno slagati.
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We'veMoramo all heardčuo of the casualneformalan FridayPetak thing.
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Svi smo čuli za "neformalni petak".
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I don't know if people still do that.
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Ne znam rade li još uvijek ljudi to.
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But how about "no-talkNema s-razgovor ThursdaysČetvrtkom?"
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Ali što bi bilo da uvedemo "četvrtak bez govora".
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How about --
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Što --
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pickodabrati one ThursdayČetvrtak oncejednom a monthmjesec
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uzmite jedan četvrtak samo jednom mjesečno
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and cutrez that day in halfpola and just say the afternoonposlijepodne -- I'll make it really easylako for you.
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i presjecite taj dan na pola i recite samo popodne -- olakšati ću to za vas.
12:23
So just the afternoonposlijepodne, one ThursdayČetvrtak.
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Samo popodne, jedan četvrtak.
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The first ThursdayČetvrtak of the monthmjesec -- just the afternoonposlijepodne --
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Prvi četvrtak u mjesecu -- samo popodne --
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nobodynitko in the officeured can talk to eachsvaki other.
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nitko u uredu ne može s nikime razgovarati.
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Just silencetišina, that's it.
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Samo tišina, to je to.
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And what you'llvi ćete find
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I ono što ćete pronaći
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is that a tremendousogroman amountiznos of work actuallyzapravo getsdobiva doneučinio
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jest da će se nevjerojatna količina posla obaviti
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when no one talksrazgovori to eachsvaki other.
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kada nitko s nikime ne priča.
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This is when people actuallyzapravo get stuffstvari doneučinio,
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To je onda kada ljudi stvarno naprave stvari,
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is when no one'sjedan je botheringmuči them, when no one'sjedan je interruptingprekidajući them.
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kada ih nitko ne uznemiruje, kada ih nitko ne prekida.
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And you can give someonenetko -- givingdavanje someonenetko fourčetiri hourssati of uninterruptedneprekinut time
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I možete dati nekome -- dati nekome četiri sata bez prekidanja
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is the bestnajbolje giftdar you can give anybodyiko at work.
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je najbolji dar koji možete dati nekome na poslu.
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It's better than a computerračunalo.
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To je bolje od računala.
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It's better than a newnovi monitormonitor. It's better than newnovi softwaresoftver,
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To je bolje od novog monitora. To je bolje od novog softvera,
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or whateveršto god people typicallytipično use.
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ili štogod već ljudi koriste.
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GivingDavanje them fourčetiri hourssati of quietmiran time at the officeured
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Dati im četiri sata tišine u uredu
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is going to be incrediblynevjerojatno valuablevrijedan.
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će biti nevjerojatno vrijedno.
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And if you try that, I think you'llvi ćete find that you agreesložiti.
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I ako to pokušate, vjerujem kako ćete se sa mnom složiti.
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And maybe, hopefullynadajmo se you can do it more oftenčesto.
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I možda, nadam se to češće raditi.
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So maybe it's everysvaki other weektjedan,
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Možda je to svaki drugi tjedan,
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or everysvaki weektjedan, oncejednom a weektjedan,
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ili svaki tjedan, jednom tjedno,
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afternoonspopodne no one can talk to eachsvaki other.
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popodneva kada nitko ne može pričati s nikime.
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That's something that you'llvi ćete find will really, really work.
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To je nešto što ćete vidjeti da stvarno, stvarno funkcionira.
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AnotherJoš jedan thing you can try
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Još jedna stvar koju možete pokušati
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is switchingprebacivanje from activeaktivan
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je prebacivanje s aktivne
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communicationkomunikacija and collaborationkolaboracija,
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komunikacije i kolaboracije,
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whichkoji is like face-to-facelicem u lice stuffstvari,
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koja je licem-u-lice,
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tappingkuckanje people on the shoulderrame, sayingizreka hibok to them, havingima meetingssastanci,
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tapšanje ljudi po ramenu, pozdravljanje, imanje sastanaka,
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and replacezamijeniti that with more passivepasivan modelsmodeli of communicationkomunikacija,
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i zamjeniti to s pasivnijim modelima komunikacije
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usingkoristeći things like emaile and instanttrenutak messagingporuka,
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koristeći stvari poput e-pošte i instant poruka,
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or collaborationkolaboracija productsproizvodi -- things like that.
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ili kolaborativnih proizvoda -- stvari poput toga.
13:29
Now some people mightmoć say emaile is really distractingodvlače
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Neki ljudi će možda reći kako e-pošta stvarno ometa
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and I.M. is really distractingodvlače,
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i kako su instant poruke stvarno ometajuće,
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and these other things are really distractingodvlače,
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i te druge stvari stvarno ometaju,
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but they're distractingodvlače at a time of your ownvlastiti choiceizbor and your ownvlastiti choosingOdabir.
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ali one ometaju u vrijeme kada to sami odlučite i izaberete.
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You can quitprestati the emaile appapp; you can't quitprestati your bossšef.
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Možete izaći iz aplikacije za e-poštu, ali ne možete otkazati svom šefu.
13:42
You can quitprestati I.M.;
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Možete prekinuti instant poruke,
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you can't hidesakriti your managermenadžer.
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ali se ne možete sakriti svom menadžeru.
13:46
You can put these things away,
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Možete staviti te stvari sa strane,
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and then you can be interruptedprekida on your ownvlastiti scheduleraspored, at your ownvlastiti time,
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i onda vas mogu prekidati po vašem rasporedu, u vrijeme kada želite,
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when you're availabledostupno, when you're readyspreman to go again.
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kada ste dostupni, kada ste spremni ponovno krenuti.
13:53
Because work, like sleepspavati, happensdogađa se in phasesfaze.
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Jer se posao, poput sna, događa u fazama.
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So you're going to be kindljubazan of going up and doing some work,
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Tako ćete ići gore i obaviti neki posao,
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and then you're going to come down from that work,
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i onda ćete ići prema dolje, od posla,
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and then maybe it's time to checkprovjeriti that emaile, or checkprovjeriti that I.M.
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i onda je možda vrijeme za provjeriti e-poštu, ili instant poruke.
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And there are very, very fewnekoliko things that are that urgenthitan
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I jako je, jako malo stvari koje su toliko hitne
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that need to happendogoditi se, that need to be answeredodgovorio right this seconddrugi.
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da se moraju dogoditi, da se na njih mora odgovoriti istu sekundu.
14:08
So if you're a managermenadžer,
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Tako ako vaš menadžer,
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startpočetak encouragingohrabrujući people to use more things like I.M. and emaile
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počne poticati ljude da koriste više stvari poput instant poruka i e-pošte
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and other things that someonenetko elsedrugo can put away
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i drugih stvari koje se mogu odgoditi
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and then get back to you on theirnjihov ownvlastiti scheduleraspored.
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i uzeti kada vam odgovara.
14:16
And the last suggestionprijedlog I have
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I zadnja preporuka koju imam
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is that, if you do have a meetingsastanak comingdolazak up,
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je, ako imate nadolazeći sastanak,
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if you have the powervlast,
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i imate moć,
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just cancelOdustani. Just cancelOdustani that nextSljedeći meetingsastanak.
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jednostavno ga otkažite, jednostavno otkažite taj sastanak.
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Today'sDanas je FridayPetak -- so MondayPonedjeljak, usuallyobično people have meetingssastanci on MondayPonedjeljak.
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Danas je petak -- dakle ponedjeljak, ljudi obično zakazuju sastanke ponedjeljkom.
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Just don't have it.
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Jednostavno ga nemojte imati.
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I don't mean movepotez it;
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Ne mislim da ga prebacite,
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I mean just erasebrisati it from memorymemorija, it's goneotišao.
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mislim da ga izbrišete iz memorije, da nestane.
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And you'llvi ćete find out that everything will be just fine.
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I vidjeti ćete kako će sve i dalje biti dobro.
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All these discussionsrasprave and decisionsodluke you thought you had to make
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Sve te diskusije i odluke za koje ste mislili da ih morate napraviti
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at this one time at 9 a.m. on MondayPonedjeljak,
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u to vrijeme u 09:00 u ponedjeljak,
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just forgetzaboraviti about them, and things will be just fine.
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jednostavno zaboravite na njih, i sve će biti u redu.
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People have a more openotvoren morningjutro, they can actuallyzapravo think,
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Ljudi imaju otvorenije jutro, mogu stvarno misliti,
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and you'llvi ćete find out that maybe all these things you thought you had to do,
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i otkriti ćete da su sve te stvari koje ste trebali napraviti u stvari
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you don't actuallyzapravo have to do.
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one koje ne trebate napraviti.
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So those are just threetri quickbrz suggestionsPrijedlozi I wanted to give you guys
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Dakle, to su tri brze sugestije koje sam vam htio dati
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to think about this.
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da o njima razmislite.
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And I hopenada that some of these ideasideje
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I nadam se kako su neke od ovih ideja
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were at leastnajmanje provocativeprovokativan enoughdovoljno
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bile barem dovoljno provokativne
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for managersmenadžeri and bossesŠefovi and businessPoslovni ownersvlasnici
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za menadžere i šefove i vlasnike
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and organizersOrganizatori and people who are in chargenaplatiti of other people
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i organizatore i ljude koji upravljaju drugim ljudima
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to think about layingpolaganje off a little bitbit
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da razmislte o tome da malo odustanu
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and givingdavanje people some more time to get some work doneučinio.
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i daju ljudima više vremena za obavljanje posla.
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And I think it'llto će all payplatiti off in the endkraj.
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I mislim kako će se sve to na kraju isplatiti.
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So thanksHvala for listeningslušanje.
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Hvala vam što ste slušali.
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(ApplausePljesak)
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(Pljesak)

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jason Fried - Software entrepreneur
Jason Fried thinks deeply about collaboration, productivity and the nature of work. He's the co-founder of 37signals, makers of Basecamp and other web-based collaboration tools, and co-author of "Rework."

Why you should listen

Jason Fried is the co-founder and president of 37signals , a Chicago-based company that builds web-based productivity tools that, in their words, "do less than the competition -- intentionally." 37signals' simple but powerful collaboration tools include Basecamp, Highrise, Backpack, Campfire, Ta-da List, and Writeboard. 37signals also developed and open-sourced the Ruby on Rails programming framework.

Fried is the co-author, with David Heinemeier Hansson, of the book Rework, about new ways to conceptualize working and creating. Salon's Scott Rosenberg called it "a minimalist manifesto that's profoundly practical. In a world where we all keep getting asked to do more with less, the authors show us how to do less and create more."

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