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Yassmin Abdel-Magied: What does my headscarf mean to you?
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What do you think when you look at this speaker? Well, think again. (And then again.) In this funny, honest, empathetic talk, Yassmin Abdel-Magied challenges us to look beyond our initial perceptions, and to open doors to new ways of supporting others.
Yassmin Abdel-Magied - Mechanical engineer, social advocate
Yassmin Abdel-Magied wears many hats, including a hijab. She's a mechanical engineer, writer and activist who campaigns for tolerance and diversity. Full bio
Yassmin Abdel-Magied wears many hats, including a hijab. She's a mechanical engineer, writer and activist who campaigns for tolerance and diversity. Full bio
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Someone who looks like me
walks past you in the street.
walks past you in the street.
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Do you think they're a mother,
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a refugee
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or a victim of oppression?
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Or do you think they're a cardiologist,
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a barrister
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or maybe your local politician?
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Do you look me up and down,
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wondering how hot I must get
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or if my husband has forced me
to wear this outfit?
to wear this outfit?
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What if I wore my scarf like this?
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I can walk down the street
in the exact same outfit
in the exact same outfit
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and what the world expects of me
and the way I'm treated
and the way I'm treated
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depends on the arrangement
of this piece of cloth.
of this piece of cloth.
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But this isn't going to be
another monologue about the hijab
another monologue about the hijab
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because Lord knows, Muslim women
are so much more than the piece of cloth
are so much more than the piece of cloth
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they choose, or not,
to wrap their head in.
to wrap their head in.
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This is about looking beyond your bias.
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What if I walked past you and later on
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you'd found out that actually
I was a race car engineer,
I was a race car engineer,
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and that I designed my own race car
and I ran my university's race team,
and I ran my university's race team,
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because it's true.
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What if I told you that I was actually
trained as a boxer for five years,
trained as a boxer for five years,
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because that's true, too.
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Would it surprise you?
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Why?
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Ladies and gentlemen, ultimately,
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that surprise and the behaviors
associated with it
associated with it
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are the product of something
called unconscious bias,
called unconscious bias,
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or implicit prejudice.
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And that results in the
ridiculously detrimental
ridiculously detrimental
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lack of diversity in our workforce,
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particularly in areas of influence.
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Hello, Australian Federal Cabinet.
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(Applause)
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Let me just set something out
from the outset:
from the outset:
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Unconscious bias is not the same
as conscious discrimination.
as conscious discrimination.
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I'm not saying that in all of you,
there's a secret sexist or racist
there's a secret sexist or racist
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or ageist lurking within,
waiting to get out.
waiting to get out.
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That's not what I'm saying.
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We all have our biases.
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They're the filters through which
we see the world around us.
we see the world around us.
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I'm not accusing anyone,
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bias is not an accusation.
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Rather, it's something that
has to be identified,
has to be identified,
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acknowledged and mitigated against.
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Bias can be about race,
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it can be about gender.
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It can also be about class,
education, disability.
education, disability.
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The fact is, we all have biases
against what's different,
against what's different,
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what's different to our social norms.
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The thing is, if we want
to live in a world
to live in a world
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where the circumstances of your birth
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do not dictate your future
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and where equal opportunity is ubiquitous,
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then each and every one of us
has a role to play
has a role to play
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in making sure unconscious bias
does not determine our lives.
does not determine our lives.
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There's this really famous experiment
in the space of unconscious bias
in the space of unconscious bias
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and that's in the space of gender
in the 1970s and 1980s.
in the 1970s and 1980s.
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So orchestras, back in the day,
were made up mostly of dudes,
were made up mostly of dudes,
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up to only five percent were female.
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And apparently, that was because
men played it differently,
men played it differently,
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presumably better, presumably.
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But in 1952, The Boston Symphony Orchestra
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started an experiment.
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They started blind auditions.
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So rather than face-to-face auditions,
you would have to play behind a screen.
you would have to play behind a screen.
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Now funnily enough,
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no immediate change was registered
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until they asked the audition-ers
to take their shoes off
to take their shoes off
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before they entered the room.
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because the clickity-clack
of the heels
of the heels
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against the hardwood floors
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was enough to give the ladies away.
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Now get this,
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there results of the audition showed
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that there was a 50 percent
increased chance
increased chance
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a woman would progress past
the preliminary stage.
the preliminary stage.
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And it almost tripled
their chances of getting in.
their chances of getting in.
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What does that tell us?
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Well, unfortunately for the guys,
men actually didn't play differently,
men actually didn't play differently,
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but there was the perception
that they did.
that they did.
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And it was that bias that was
determining their outcome.
determining their outcome.
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So what we're doing here
is identifying and acknowledging
is identifying and acknowledging
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that a bias exists.
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And look, we all do it.
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Let me give you an example.
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A son and his father are in
a horrible car accident.
a horrible car accident.
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The father dies on impact
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and the son, who's severely injured,
is rushed to hospital.
is rushed to hospital.
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The surgeon looks at the son
when they arrive and is like,
when they arrive and is like,
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"I can't operate."
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Why?
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"The boy is my son."
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How can that be?
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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the surgeon is his mother.
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Now hands up -- and it's okay --
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but hands up if you initially assumed
the surgeon was a guy?
the surgeon was a guy?
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There's evidence that
that unconscious bias exists,
that unconscious bias exists,
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but we all just have
to acknowledge that it's there
to acknowledge that it's there
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and then look at ways
that we can move past it
that we can move past it
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so that we can look at solutions.
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Now one of the interesting things
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around the space of unconscious bias
is the topic of quotas.
is the topic of quotas.
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And this something
that's often brought up.
that's often brought up.
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And of of the criticisms
is this idea of merit.
is this idea of merit.
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Look, I don't want to be picked
because I'm a chick,
because I'm a chick,
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I want to be picked because
I have merit,
I have merit,
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because I'm the best person for the job.
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It's a sentiment that's pretty common
among female engineers
among female engineers
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that I work with and that I know.
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And yeah, I get it, I've been there.
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But, if the merit idea was true,
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why would identical resumes,
in an experiment done in 2012 by Yale,
in an experiment done in 2012 by Yale,
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identical resumes sent out
for a lab technician,
for a lab technician,
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why would Jennifers
be deemed less competent,
be deemed less competent,
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be less likely to be offered the job,
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and be paid less than Johns.
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The unconscious bias is there,
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but we just have to look at
how we can move past it.
how we can move past it.
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And, you know, it's interesting,
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there's some research that talks about
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why this is the case and
it's called the merit paradox.
it's called the merit paradox.
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And in organizations --
and this is kind of ironic --
and this is kind of ironic --
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in organizations that talk about merit
being their primary value-driver
being their primary value-driver
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in terms of who they hire,
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they were more likely to hire dudes
and more likely to pay the guys more
and more likely to pay the guys more
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because apparently merit
is a masculine quality.
is a masculine quality.
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But, hey.
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So you guys think you've got
a good read on me,
a good read on me,
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you kinda think you know what's up.
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Can you imagine me running one of these?
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Can you imagine me walking in
and being like,
and being like,
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"Hey boys, this is what's up.
This is how it's done."
This is how it's done."
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Well, I'm glad you can.
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(Applause)
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Because ladies and gentlemen,
that's my day job.
that's my day job.
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And the cool thing about it is
that it's pretty entertaining.
that it's pretty entertaining.
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Actually, in places like Malaysia,
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Muslim women on rigs
isn't even comment-worthy.
isn't even comment-worthy.
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There are that many of them.
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But, it is entertaining.
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I remember, I was telling one of the guys,
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"Hey, mate, look, I really want
to learn how to surf."
to learn how to surf."
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And he's like, "Yassmin, I don't
know how you can surf
know how you can surf
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with all that gear you've got on,
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and I don't know any women-only beaches."
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And then, the guy came up
with a brilliant idea,
with a brilliant idea,
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he was like, "I know, you run
that organization
that organization
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Youth Without Borders, right?
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Why don't you start a clothing line
for Muslim chicks in beaches.
for Muslim chicks in beaches.
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You can call it
Youth Without Boardshorts."
Youth Without Boardshorts."
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(Laughter)
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And I was like, "Thanks, guys."
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And I remember another bloke
telling me that
telling me that
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I should eat all the yogurt I could
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because that was the only culture
I was going to get around there.
I was going to get around there.
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But, the problem is, it's kind of true
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because there's an intense
lack of diversity in our workforce,
lack of diversity in our workforce,
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particularly in places of influence.
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Now, in 2010,
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The Australian National University
did an experiment
did an experiment
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where they sent out
4,000 identical applications
4,000 identical applications
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to entry level jobs, essentially.
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To get the same number of interviews
as someone with an Anglo-Saxon name,
as someone with an Anglo-Saxon name,
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if you were Chinese, you had
to send out 68 percent more applications.
to send out 68 percent more applications.
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If you were Middle Eastern --
Abdel-Magied --
Abdel-Magied --
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you had to send out 64 percent,
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and if you're Italian,
you're pretty lucky,
you're pretty lucky,
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you only have to send out 12 percent more.
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In places like Silicon Valley,
it's not that much better.
it's not that much better.
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In Google, they put out
some diversity results
some diversity results
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and 61 percent white, 30 percent Asian
and nine, a bunch of blacks, Hispanics,
and nine, a bunch of blacks, Hispanics,
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all that kind of thing.
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And the rest of the tech world
is not that much better
is not that much better
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and they've acknowledged it,
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but I'm not really sure
what they're doing about it.
what they're doing about it.
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The thing is, it doesn't trickle up.
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In a study done by Green Park,
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who are a British senior exec supplier,
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they said that over half
of the FTSE 100 companies
of the FTSE 100 companies
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don't have a nonwhite leader
at their board level,
at their board level,
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executive or non-executive.
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And two out of every three
don't have an executive
don't have an executive
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who's from a minority.
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And most of the minorities
that are at that sort of level
that are at that sort of level
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are non-executive board directors.
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So their influence isn't that great.
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I've told you a bunch of terrible things.
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You're like, "Oh my god, how bad is that?
What can I do about it?"
What can I do about it?"
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Well, fortunately,
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we've identified that there's a problem.
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There's a lack of opportunity,
and that's due to unconscious bias.
and that's due to unconscious bias.
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But you might be sitting
there thinking,
there thinking,
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"I ain't brown. What's that got
to do with me?"
to do with me?"
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Let me offer you a solution.
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And as I've said before,
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we live in a world where
we're looking for an ideal.
we're looking for an ideal.
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And if we want to create a world
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where the circumstances
of your birth don't matter,
of your birth don't matter,
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we all have to be part of the solution.
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And interestingly, the author
of the lab resume experiment
of the lab resume experiment
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offered some sort of a solution.
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She said the one thing that brought
the successful women together,
the successful women together,
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the one thing that they had in common,
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was the fact that they had good mentors.
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So mentoring, we've all kind of
heard that before,
heard that before,
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it's in the vernacular.
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Here's another challenge for you.
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I challenge each and every one of you
to mentor someone different.
to mentor someone different.
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Think about it.
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Everyone wants to mentor someone
who kind of is familiar,
who kind of is familiar,
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who looks like us,
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we have shared experiences.
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If I see a Muslim chick
who's got a bit of attitude,
who's got a bit of attitude,
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I'm like, "What's up? We can hang out."
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You walk into a room and there's someone
who went to the same school,
who went to the same school,
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you play the same sports,
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there's a high chance that you're
going to want to help that person out.
going to want to help that person out.
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But for the person in the room
who has no shared experiences with you
who has no shared experiences with you
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it becomes extremely difficult
to find that connection.
to find that connection.
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The idea of finding someone
different to mentor,
different to mentor,
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someone who doesn't come
from the same background as you,
from the same background as you,
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whatever that background is,
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is about opening doors
for people who couldn't even get
for people who couldn't even get
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to the damn hallway.
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Because ladies and gentlemen,
the world is not just.
the world is not just.
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People are not born
with equal opportunity.
with equal opportunity.
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I was born in one of the poorest
cities in the world, Khartoum.
cities in the world, Khartoum.
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I was born brown, I was born female,
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and I was born Muslim in a world
that is pretty suspicious of us
that is pretty suspicious of us
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for reasons I can't control.
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However, I also acknowledge the fact
that I was born with privilege.
that I was born with privilege.
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I was born with amazing parents,
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I was given an education
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and had the blessing
of migrating to Australia.
of migrating to Australia.
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But also, I've been blessed
with amazing mentors
with amazing mentors
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who've opened doors for me
that I didn't even know were there.
that I didn't even know were there.
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A mentor who said to me,
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"Hey, your story's interesting.
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Let's write something about it
so that I can share it with people."
so that I can share it with people."
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A mentor who said,
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"I know you're all those things that don't
belong on an Australian rig,
belong on an Australian rig,
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but come on anyway."
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And here I am, talking to you.
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And I'm not the only one.
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There's all sorts of people
in my communities
in my communities
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that I see have been
helped out by mentors.
helped out by mentors.
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A young Muslim man in Sydney
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who ended up using his mentor's help
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to start up a poetry slam in Bankstown
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and now it's a huge thing.
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And he's able to change the lives
of so many other young people.
of so many other young people.
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Or a lady here in Brisbane,
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an Afghan lady who's a refugee,
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who could barely speak English
when she came to Australia,
when she came to Australia,
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her mentors helped her become a doctor
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and she took our Young Queenslander
of the Year Award in 2008.
of the Year Award in 2008.
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She's an inspiration.
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This is so not smooth.
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This is me.
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But I'm also the woman in the rig clothes,
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and I'm also the woman who was
in the abaya at the beginning.
in the abaya at the beginning.
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Would you have chosen to mentor me
if you had seen me
if you had seen me
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in one of those other versions
of who I am?
of who I am?
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Because I'm that same person.
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We have to look past our unconscious bias,
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find someone to mentor who's at
the opposite end of your spectrum
the opposite end of your spectrum
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because structural change takes time,
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and I don't have that level of patience.
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So if we're going to create a change,
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if we're going to create a world
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where we all have
those kinds of opportunities,
those kinds of opportunities,
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then choose to open doors for people.
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Because you might think that
diversity has nothing to do with you,
diversity has nothing to do with you,
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but we are all part of this system
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and we can all be part of that solution.
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And if you don't know
where to find someone different,
where to find someone different,
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go to the places you wouldn't usually go.
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If you enroll in
private high school tutoring,
private high school tutoring,
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go to your local state school
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or maybe just drop into your
local refugee tutoring center.
local refugee tutoring center.
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Or perhaps you work at an office.
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Take out that new grad who looks
totally out of place --
totally out of place --
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'cause that was me --
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and open doors for them,
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not in a tokenistic way,
because we're not victims,
because we're not victims,
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but show them the opportunities
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because opening up your world
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will make you realize that
you have access to doors
you have access to doors
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that they didn't even know existed
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and you didn't even know
they didn't have.
they didn't have.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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there is a problem in our community
with lack of opportunity,
with lack of opportunity,
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especially due to unconscious bias.
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But each and every one one of you
has the potential to change that.
has the potential to change that.
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I know you've been given a lot
of challenges today,
of challenges today,
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but if you can take this one piece
and think about it a little differently,
and think about it a little differently,
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because diversity is magic.
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And I encourage you to look past
your initial perceptions
your initial perceptions
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because I bet you,
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they're probably wrong.
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Thank you.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Yassmin Abdel-Magied - Mechanical engineer, social advocateYassmin Abdel-Magied wears many hats, including a hijab. She's a mechanical engineer, writer and activist who campaigns for tolerance and diversity.
Why you should listen
Yassmin Abdel-Magied is on a mission to promote diversity throughout society, however and wherever she can. Born in Sudan, she moved to Australia when she was two years old, and trained as a mechanical engineer. She now spends her time both working as an engineering specialist on oil and gas rigs -- and heading up Youth Without Borders, the organization she founded to enable young people to work for positive change in their communities.
Named the 2015 Queensland Young Australian of the Year, Yassmin advocates for the empowerment of youth, women and those from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds. In 2007, she was named Young Australian Muslim of the Year. She also really like motorsports.
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